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The cover article in April 2nd's Computerworld was titled Asperger's and IT: Dark secret or open secret? OK, if you have to ask you haven't been paying attention. It does raise the very legitimate question of "If Aspies are everywhere among us, why isn't the IT industry doing more to support them or even to simply acknowledge their existence?"

High-tech companies, after all, have been at the forefront of supporting workers with nearly every type of social, ethnic, physical or developmental identification. Microsoft, to take just one example, sponsors at least 20 affinity groups -- for African Americans, dads, deaf and hard of hearing, visually impaired, Singaporeans, single parents, and gay/lesbian/bisexual and transgendered employees, to name a few. Just nothing for autistics.

But this isn't a song about Alice Microsoft, or even about IT.

I've noticed that I tend to approach people and relationships almost exactly the same way I approach any other technical problem, for example an unfamiliar piece of software. I don't have the automatic understanding of other people that ordinary humans seem to have: I have to treat each problem analytically.

And, of course, since another symptom of Asperger's is an ability to concentrate on one problem, and a corresponding inability to multitask, this can come across either as a possibly-disturbing intensity of focus, or an annoying inability to drop a subject. Sorry about that; I'm working on it. As a technical problem, of course.

Date: 2008-05-08 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mia-mcdavid.livejournal.com
Someone I met on LJ with kids on the autistic spectrum told me that they had moved from Minnesota to the PNW to take advantage of Microsoft's amazing support for families with autistic kids.

As a Minnesotan, I'm here to tell you that, if Microsoft does it better, they must be really all that and a bag of chips! Hats off too them!

Date: 2008-05-08 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angharads-house.livejournal.com
Thank you for that insight; having worked with enough Aspies over time, and having been once married to one (who was not at the time so-diagnosed), I have always wondered about the care and feeding (and daresay nurturance of full potential) of Aspies.

Am curious to ask, though: how many female Aspies have you ever met? I'm drawing a blank, there.

Date: 2008-05-08 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danceswthcobras.livejournal.com
Not formally diagnosed, but very likely Asperger's. It's unsurprisingly common in the fannish community, and while more men than women have it, there are definitely a fair number of women in the club.

Date: 2008-05-08 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gmcdavid.livejournal.com
I don't recall specifics about Asperger's, but somewhere I saw that the overall male/female ratio on the autistic spectrum is about 2:1

Date: 2008-05-08 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] min0taur.livejournal.com
Really an interesting question and issue.

My guess is that the corporate world clearly has a use for the strengths of Aspie folks, but no more idea of how to deal with them as people than it has of how to deal with nearly anyone else as people. (I don't hear overweening aggressive ambition or an obsession with "making the numbers" characterized as a syndrome, or Donald Trump diagnosed with a personality disorder. I wonder why. Well, no, not really.)

Quite aside from all the cool stuff we can do with computers these days, I also find it really ironic that the technical field -- computing in particular -- has become such a pervasive source of standards by which we're expected to measure our self-worth. High on my list of those pseudo-standards is "multitasking ability" -- why should we be judged by how well our brains can simulate the behavior of a machine that so crudely mimics such a small part of human intelligence? If it were actually such an alloy of hot sh** and cool beans, then we would have surely have *achieved* the apparent 1990s corporate ideal of a company downsized to one-rich-guy-in-a-roomful-of-computers-with-all-the-tech-support-outsourced. As if. But I digress.

I would rather "immerse" than spin plates on poles any day. And I can relate to the analytic necessity where tacit social signals are concerned. It's a whole other level of communication from straightforward (or even metaphorical) exchange -- a language of camouflaged expectation -- a code. Learnable, sure, but no more intrinsically "obvious" than Mandarin Chinese would be to a Scots-Irish-American suburban kid like me. Guess it's always been up to the "aliens" -- who mean the "earthlings" no harm, after all, and just want to pursue their interests and get along -- to create ways to "pass for earthling." Might as well start from your strengths.

Date: 2008-05-08 06:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kyrielle
Interestingly enough, they've recently proven that people are less productive when multi-tasking than when not, regardless of Asperger's status. (Not that this doesn't seem intuitively obvious anyway. This is the news article I got that from.) I suspect some (many?) individuals with Aspergers are either less able to make the transitions, or maybe simply more aware of the cost of the transitions, but it turns out that approach doesn't really benefit most people. (In terms of productivity. I end up doing it all the time at my job because the ability to adjust to a changing priority is more critical than the efficiency of finishing all my tasks. But I know it makes me less efficient on a task-by-task basis than if I could focus on each of them one at a time.)
Edited Date: 2008-05-08 06:29 pm (UTC)

Except of course

Date: 2008-05-08 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capplor.livejournal.com
when you concentrate on one problem to the exclusion of survival data. I was, as a child, notoriously good at concentrating on one thing at a time. Only physical contact or a very loud clear call of my name would get me out of a good book. Then I wrecked my father's car at age 18 because I got obsessed with the question of whether it was raining hard enough to run the windshield wipers.

I can't quite lose the world the way I used to, after a concentrated effort to learn to be distractable.

Date: 2008-05-08 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tibicina.livejournal.com
I think part of the problem is that the older someone gets the harder it becomes to reliably diagnose Aspergers and other forms of high-functioning Autism. I seem to recall that there are no reliable diagnosis standards for adults, mostly because adults have learned to cope in various fashions and their coping mechanisms get in the way of diagnosis. Now, you can still look at people and go 'that sounds vaguely right', but only from a lay person standpoint.

I suspect that more will be done as people officially diagnosed get older and move into the workforce.
Edited Date: 2008-05-08 08:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-05-08 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mia-mcdavid.livejournal.com
No time for a lengthy post, but a very high percentage of fen are in fact Aspies; I thought everyone knew that . . .

Date: 2008-05-09 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jilara.livejournal.com
I've known a bunch of people who have been my friends, over the years, though, whom I suspected of being "different," usually in the vaguely autistic range. A lot of them have been diagnosed with Asperger's lately. But a lot of the self-diagnosed fen who have known them have said of them: "They aren't Aspies, they're just Weird!" Yeah, but they're damned good programmers/waltzers/experts on WWII or French Impressionists, etc. I haven't yet figured out the self-righteous "I'm Asperger's and you're just weird," one yet, though.

Yeah, but to Fen, "Wierd" is a good thing...

Date: 2008-05-09 08:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Maybe I'm not hearing the tone of voice through the screen accurately, but that quote sounds *approving* to me. Fandom is where I see T-shirts and buttons celebrating weirdness, and a general "normal is boring" attitude.

A con is where we can all go and be weird together.

Using weird as a pejorative at a SF con is as good a joke as using geek as a pejorative at a computer con.

Re: Yeah, but to Fen, "Wierd" is a good thing...

Date: 2008-05-09 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jilara.livejournal.com
Yeah, that was the sort of tone of--moral superiority? Interestingly, I've had this happen with two separate people claiming to be Aspies (one actually a pagan lady, rather than strictly fannish), concerning two different people of my acquaintance.

Re: Yeah, but to Fen, "Wierd" is a good thing...

Date: 2008-05-09 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jilara.livejournal.com
Believe me, if you'd heard it, it wasn't approving. (Especially when it was coupled with "why do you hang out with HIM?")

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